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92: Speciesism and The Chicken Encounter That Changed Everything with Pattrice Jones of VINE Animal Sanctuary (S9)

The Deal With Animals 25 March 2024 3


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“If you are interested in making the world better for animals, doing something about climate change, solving any social justice problems, veganism is going to be a necessary step.” – Pattrice Jones

Episode 6 of Series 9: Unveiling Vegan Culture Transcript

Discussing the realities of racism, sexism, and speciesism, we explore how these issues are not standalone problems but are intricately linked. Vine Sanctuary, a beacon of hope and healing, exemplifies the power of community alliances — a sanctuary not just for animals but for humans too, particularly those from marginalized LGBTQ and BIPOC communities.
This episode isn’t just about animal activism; it’s an exploration of deep-seated ideologies and the political weight of our personal choices.

Guest: Pattrice Jones is a cofounder of VINE Sanctuary, an LGBTQ-led refuge for farmed animals, as well as an internationally recognized ecofeminist scholar and activist.  Her new book, Bird’s-Eye Views: Queer Queries About Activism, Animals, and Identity, collects essays by Pattrice jones on numerous topics relevant to human-animal relations.

Book Recommendation:
 Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity by  Bruce Bagemihl

Other Links: The Oxen at the Intersection by Pattrice Jones

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