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79: “‘I love what you do for me’ – isn’t love!” – Cat Besch – Vietnam Animal Aid & Rescue Founder – Sentientist Conversation

Sentientism 25 October 2021


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We discuss the biggest questions: "what's real?", "who matters?" and "how to make a better world?" with scientists, celebrities, activists, writers and philosophers. The Sentientism worldview is "evidence, reason and compassion for all sentient beings." It's a simple, yet radical, philosophy that's grounded in reality (naturalistic epistemology) and has compassion for all sentient beings (mostly human and non-human animals). Naturalism & sentiocentrism combined.

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Cat (@CatBeschVN) founded and leads Vietnam Animal Aid & Rescue. She is also a writer & activist addressing many non-human animal issues.

In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”

Sentientism is “evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.

We discuss:

0:00 Welcome

1:10 Cat’s Intro

– Founding Vietnam Animal Aid & Rescue

– Growing up in Virginia, USA

– Studying International Relations in Washington DC

– A political/military family

3:10 What’s Real?

– Growing up as a liberal Lutheran with very religious parents

– The church as social fabric

– Figuring out that “I just don’t really believe in any of that crap”

– High school & Baptist society in Alabama

– The church seeing all sex as shameful… “holding virginity in such high esteem”

– Feminism & Islam. “Headscarves & Hymens” by Mona Eltahawy. 

– “The way the institutions look at sex & sexuality just makes you want to put your fist through a wall”

– “A whole bunch of girls that think they’re going to hell”

– That was the turning point. Everything started to crumble

– Not picking at the church too hard as it was the social fabric. “Life is hard enough at 16.” I left it silently on my own

– The hypocrisy of religious compassion & judgementalism

– Atheists & agnostics are not immoral people

– “I attended church… I took communion… my sins are flushed… now I can go back to being a dickhead”

– Religious compassion is often conditional & constrained

– The immorality of even “moderate” religious worldviews (e.g. hell, sexism, homophobia)

– “Women are not emotionally stable enough to be leaders in the Catholic church”!

– “I found it oppressive.” Leaving the church was a moment of liberation

– Travelling & living in many religious cultures

– Starting the “Let’s not be an asshole” religion

– Being wrong. “I used to hate vegans”, now I’m “on the side of all sentient beings”

– Everybody has a chance to change

– “I just don’t know” as a strong naturalistic stance

25:09 What (& Who) Matters?

– An early empathy for animals “they were my best friends”, but living in an environment where killing sentient beings was normal

– I never met a vegan in the horse riding world

– “I love what you do for me” isn’t love

– Being angry at our previous selves for not seeing

– Thinking all vegans must be “dirty hippies”

– Meeting first vegans hosting couch-surfers in Mongolia

– Being challenged “You love animals but who are you eating?”

…and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info and on YouTube.

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Thanks for the post-prod Graham.

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