29: “Vet training reduces empathy for animals” – Vet Kevin Saldanha – New Sentientist Conversation

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Kevin is a community vet, based in Ontario, Canada. He grew up in East Africa & Goa, India & then moved to Canada. He has held leadership roles, originally in Catholic community organisations &, more recently, Humanist community organisations.

In these Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?” Sentientism is “evidence, commitment & compassion for all sentient beings.”

Full show notes are here: https://sentientism.info/vet-training-reduces-empathy-for-animals-vet-kevin-saldhana-new-sentientist-conversation

The video version of our conversation is here on YouTube.

We discuss:

• Growing up in a Roman Catholic Christian, meat-eating family in Goa, India and in East Africa
• The centrality of Catholicism to the community
• Praying for exam success
• Moving to Canada and becoming deeply embedded in the local religious community (inc. The Knights of Columbus)
• Discussing animal ethics with a priest “do they have souls and an afterlife?”
• Rejecting the homophobia of the Knights of Columbus & Catholicism
• Considering the impossibility of “souls”
• 9/11 as a trigger for re-considering Kevin’s religion, morality and purpose
• Telling Kevin’s story in the book “Faith beyond belief”
• Studying science and evolution as a vet, but keeping it separate from faith
• The social challenges of leaving religion (leadership roles, social circles)
• Most friends are still friends. They pray for Kevin’s soul and his return to Catholicism
• Rejecting not just religious, but all supernatural beliefs
• Lacking atheist role models IRL, getting past the militant atheist groups, but finding connections re: Humanism online & then in person
• Leading a Humanist group for over a decade
• People returning to religion because of a wish for simple ethical standards and a comforting community and roadmap of rituals for their family
• Vet school is oriented towards non-human animal agriculture where harming & killing animals is normalised
• And more…

You can find Kevin at @vegvet or on Facebook here. Kevin’s veterinary practice is at 567vets.com.

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Thanks to Graham for his post-prod work. Follow him: @cgbessellieu