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88: “Punk music was my gateway into politics & ethics” – Sociologist Nick Pendergrast – Sentientist Conversation

Sentientism 12 December 2021


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We discuss the biggest questions: "what's real?", "who matters?" and "how to make a better world?" with scientists, celebrities, activists, writers and philosophers. The Sentientism worldview is "evidence, reason and compassion for all sentient beings." It's a simple, yet radical, philosophy that's grounded in reality (naturalistic epistemology) and has compassion for all sentient beings (mostly human and non-human animals). Naturalism & sentiocentrism combined.

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Nick (@NickPende & theconversation) is a Sociologist who researches social movements, social change & Critical Animal Studies. He is a member of The Institute for Critical Animal Studies, the International Association of Vegan Sociologists & The Australian Sociological Association. Nick co-hosts the Freedom of Species podcast & radio show on Melbourne’s 3CR community radio station & also co-hosts the Progressive Podcast Australia podcast with his partner Katie.

In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”

Sentientism is “evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.

We discuss:

00:00 Welcome

01:22 Nick’s Intro

– Animal advocacy & social justice activism – doing them & studying them sociologically

– Hosting the Freedom of Species podcast & radio show

04:50 What’s Real?

– Growing up non-religious w/agnostic (or atheist?) parents

– Joining a religious friend at Sunday School

– Being very anti-religious at 5-6 years old (a mini Richard Dawkins?) “This doesn’t make any sense at all”

– “Religion or spirituality has zero impact on my ethics”

– Softening somewhat…

– “Myq Kaplan probably started off where I was before taking mushrooms… I’ve just never taken the mushrooms”

– Non-supernatural analogues for spirituality/supernatural: Flow states, rituals, habits

– The ethical problems of believing without evidence e.g. anti-vaxx

– Harry Potter & the Methods of Rationality fanfic

– Being open minded but not wasting our time on every implausible claim

– Religion as a brake on social progress (sexism, homophobia, speciesism…)

– Religion’s positive & negative functions in society

– Reforming religions to conform w/secular ethics

– Threatening children w/eternal torture

22:35 What Matters?

– A Christian friend: “You seem like quite ethical people but you’re not religious!”

– Socially progressive, liberal parents, so ethics came naturally

– Apathetic & apolitical as a kid. “I was more into ice hockey”

– Punk rock as a gateway into ethics & politics. Bad Religion

– Protesting the Iraq war

– Anti-war, pro-env, human rights, then animal rights & veganism “It just made total sense”

– Justice first, then compassion. More a rational than an emotional response

– Challenging hierarchies. Human & non-human

– “It didn’t make sense that I was above my dog”

…and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info and on YouTube.

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Thanks Graham.

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