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Episode 10: How to Create a Vegan World w/ Tobias Leenaert

Lettuce Talk 21 December 2023


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The Vegan Student Association (VSA) Utrecht podcast is about all things vegan. From vegan history to speciesism and more, we explore everything that it entails to be a "vegan" in our modern world.

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In this episode, we sit down with activist, co-founder of ProVeg and author of ‘How to Create a Vegan World: A Pragmatic Approach’, Tobias Leenaert! We talk about why pragmatism is needed in creating societal change, whether veganism should be a left-wing movement or not, and how he sees the future of the movement. Listen to the full episode to hear all of this, and more!

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0:00 – Pragmatism as a strategy

10:18 – Psychology of behavior change

13:28 – Can veganism be dogmatic?

15:30 – Should veganism be left-wing and intersectional?

21:15 – Should we let non-vegans participate in our activism?

27:30 – How can we use ‘disgust’?

30:32 – What can we do as students?

33:54 – Is donation underrated?

37:34 – Activism as a career and life path

42:10 – Is the future bright?

47:00 – Christmas with non-vegan family

53:18 – End

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