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Sentientism 19 April 2023


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We discuss the biggest questions: "what's real?", "who matters?" and "how to make a better world?" with scientists, celebrities, activists, writers and philosophers. The Sentientism worldview is "evidence, reason and compassion for all sentient beings." It's a simple, yet radical, philosophy that's grounded in reality (naturalistic epistemology) and has compassion for all sentient beings (mostly human and non-human animals). Naturalism & sentiocentrism combined.

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Jay Shapiro is an award winning filmmaker, writer, & podcaster. He directed the film Islam & the Future of Tolerance, based around a post 9/11 conversation between Sam Harris & Maajid Nawaz. He produces and creates a wide range of content, writes on his “What Jay Thinks” blog & hosts the Dilemma podcast – I had the pleasure of being his guest for a Dilemma hangout about Sentientism back in 2020. He loves thoughtful deep dives into philosophy, psychology, & political analysis.

In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “who matters?”

Sentientism is “evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” The video of our conversation is ⁠⁠here on YouTube⁠⁠.

We discuss:

00:00 Welcome

01:54 Jay Intro

– The Essential #samharris series

– Documentary & narrative film-making

– “I really want to understand ideas… and transmit those to an audience… even if I totally disagree with the idea”

03:16 What’s Real?

– Growing up in a secular #Jewish household

– “Post-holocaust American judaism is it’s own brand… a very ethical & political tribe more than a religious one”

– “Never again becomes the holiest prayer”

– Psychologist dad, guidance counsellor mum

– “I’m a boring naturalist but… I love analogies for what it feels like to exist”

– Kurt Vonnegut’s Slaughterhouse-Five “Oh… This is what I like”

– An over-active imagination as a kid… “my scientists”, The Truman Show, solipsism, Philip K Dick & #scifi

– #Meditation, #psychedelics, religious experiences… “scrambles the dials”

– Donald Hoffman’s “The Case Against Reality”

– How evolution shapes our construction of experiences of reality

– Psychedelics help us “catch it in the act” of reality construction

– “There’s much more out there” e.g. non-human sentient experiences

– “It reminds you of the expansiveness of reality rather than show you a new one”

– The National High School Ethics Bowl

– Anil Seth’s “How your brain hallucinates reality” @TED

– Annika Harris’s exploration of consciousness theories re: “The Hard Question”

– “Reality is awesome enough – who needs magic” (I mis-spoke!)

– Epistemological tests?: atheism, veganism, spherical earth…

– Writing about Sam Harris, not for him

– Object-oriented ontology

– #psychology “I don’t think we’re the rational animal… we’re the rationalising animal”

– How people respond to #cognitivedissonance (Leon Festinger) “they really don’t like it”

– Criticising #consequentialism “you can justify anything… wait long enough and the consequences will work out… where do you stop the clock… too easy to find an out”

– #Virtueethics “Secular virtue” (vs. religious views of virtue)

– What happens after noticing the cognitive dissonance. More about psychology & values more than epistemology?

– Coping mechanisms. Consequentialism, capitalism, economics… give people outs to “quiet these voices in their heads”

– Neil Levy “people are more rational than you think” https://youtu.be/Tp40ga1cXEc

– Qanon, Goop products… everyone selects evidence/sources to suit themselves

– Believing unfounded things can be a “rational” response to existential crises / the discomfort of cognitive dissonance

37:45 What Matters?

– “There is no grounding (to ethics)”

– David Hume’s “unbreachable” is-ought chasm

– “If you hate Sam (Harris) I think you’ll like a lot of what I do there” (the Foundations of Morality episode of The Essential Sam Harris

– There is a relationship between is and ought but “It’s up to us to define that relationship”

58:50 Who Matters?

01:50:49 How Can We Make A Better Future?

…and much more. Full show notes at ⁠⁠Sentientism.info⁠⁠.

Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at ⁠⁠Sentientism.info⁠⁠. Join our ⁠⁠”I’m a Sentientist” wall⁠⁠ via ⁠⁠this simple form⁠⁠.

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