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“We need to imagine a different world” – Emilia Leese – author and host of Think Like a Vegan – Sentientism 198

Sentientism 22 May 2024


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We discuss the biggest questions: "what's real?", "who matters?" and "how to make a better world?" with scientists, celebrities, activists, writers and philosophers. The Sentientism worldview is "evidence, reason and compassion for all sentient beings." It's a simple, yet radical, philosophy that's grounded in reality (naturalistic epistemology) and has compassion for all sentient beings (mostly human and non-human animals). Naturalism & sentiocentrism combined.

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Emilia is co-author of the book Think Like A Vegan and host of the Think Like a Vegan podcast. She is involved in the Birchfield Highlands re-wilding project in Scotland, edits the quarterly magazine for The Heath & Hampstead Society in London and has developed life skills and ethics workshops for underserved youth. Professionally, she has been a corporate finance lawyer for over 20 years.

In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “who matters?”

Sentientism is “evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” The video of our conversation is ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.
00:00 Clips!

01:25 Welcome

– Shared Sentientism guests with  @thinklikeavegan  :

Troy Vettese episode

Josh Milburn episode

Aysha Akhtar episode

04:41 Emilia’s Intro

– Corporate finance, vegan writing / podcasting, rewilding
in Scotland, magazine editing

05:45 What’s Real?

– Growing up in Italy

– #catholic  school “which I hated… it never made sense to me that only some people… would go to heaven”

– Letting teachers know at 5-6 years old “this doesn’t
make any sense”… “they kind of stopped asking me questions”

– Dad is an Indian philosophy professor

– Investigating eastern and western traditions and religions
“I said ‘none of it matters’… it matters what I do here and now”

– “People have their traditions and I love that…but
for me ultimately I don’t need to have any of that”

– “The fundamental of all of them is love… just practice it”

– “That love then turns in to a respect and a valuing… of sentient life… and everything that’s around us”

– “Plants & funghi… even minerals and mountains… they may not feel anything but that doesn’t matter… it’s all
connected”

– “The fate of the least among us… is extremely important”

– “Bees and insects… how they go, we go”

– “I don’t need an outside force to tell me to do the right thing”

– “A certain basic fairness… treat everyone the same unless there’s a morally relevant reason to treat them differently”

– “I have personally witnessed things that I cannot explain… there’s lots of things I don’t know… so I’ve decided that’s fine”

– “You have to leave space for changing your mind… we
learn everything!”

– JW: How broken epistemology can lead “good” people to do terrible things

– The ethical and epistemological errors that justify animal
agriculture

– Maneesha Deckha’s “beingness” concept

– “We as advocates have to be better at our own rhetoric”

– “We live in a capitalist, non-vegan world… so there
will be inherent things that you are not going to be able to solve”

– “You don’t need to be well versed in philosophy… we
can all get there”

– Examining what’s driving our actions… fear (of others,
change, deistic reprisal, social norms, admitting we were wrong)

– JW: Uncommon common sense re: ethical and epistemic basics

– Humans building convenient hierarchies “as long as
you’re at the top”

– “Animal agribusiness has never been nice… 10,000
years ago… 5,000 years ago… there’s always objectification, exploitation and death… that doesn’t change”

– “To the being – you only have one life”
26:20 What Matters?

53:13 Who Matters?

01:00:42 A Better World?

01:22:00 Follow Emilia

EmiliaLeese.com

Think Like a Vegan Podcast

@emiisgoodeating

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