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We Are the Middle of Forever: Indigenous Voices on Climate Change, with Dahr Jamail and Stan Rushworth

Dayton Martindale 19 April 2022 2


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A touching and funny podcast that explores how extraordinary people have been changed by an extraordinary animal. In this weekly show, Katya talks to fascinating guests about what their lives were like before and after they experienced a soul-level relationship with an animal.

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Today’s guests are journalist Dahr Jamail and teacher of Native American literature Stan Rushworth, who edited the new volume We Are the Middle of Forever: Indigenous Voices from Turtle Island on the Changing Earth. We talk about how the way we see the world impacts how we act, and why it’s so important to look at each other and all our nonhuman relations, past present and future, as our kin. There is a difference, Stan and Dahr point out, between an individualistic worldview focused on our personal rights and a more collective mindset focused on responsibilities and obligations to our fellow creatures and to the future. Only one of these outlooks, they believe, is well set up to respond to a challenge like climate change.

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